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One big difference between the way kids learn iGo and the way adults learn it. Part III

One big difference between the way kids learn iGo and the way adults learn it. Part III

One line of a stone makes a big difference.ふらふら

If there is/are a stone(s) in the surroundings, I answer
very differently.がく〜(落胆した顔)

And if somebody asks me a joseki question on a
3-4 point in a corner and a star point, my
answers to these two differ completely, right?

If there is/are a stone(s) in the surroundings, that
will also make my answers very different, right?

If you are in that kind of unusual situation, then
you may very well not follow an ordinary joseki,
but alter it in order t adjust to that particular
situation because of some additional stones
in the surroundings.

(For kyu players and even for some dan players, this
is very hard to do.)

(I know it's better to show you a particular joseki example...
Please forgive me...
Someday I'll do it on my website at http://www.kazsensei.com/
or on KGS plus, I'll show you an example...)

So If somebody asks me a question like:
"Hey, Kaz, tell me how a joseki develops in a corner."


"Hey, Kaz, tell me how a joseki appears in a corner."

I have to answer:

"Which joseki are you talking about? Is that a 3-4 point
joseki or a star point joseki?

Could you give a concrete example? I also have to see the
surroundings because my answer changes if there are some
stones around it."

But the question about the corner josekis above is
perhaps 5 times more concrete questions than the ones belowふらふら:

1Some people ask me aji, the potential, works such and such,
and "Do you agree?"

2Some people tell me that they always play the opening
badly, and they want to improve it.

3Some people ask me to teach them how they should
erase a moyo.

So you've got to show me a concrete situation of your iGo game.

Instead of showing me a particular situation, if somebody keeps
asking me like that "Tell me how a joseki
works in a corner", how do you feel?

When people keep asking me that kind of question, I feel like
they are asking me a philosophical question.

Unfortunately, I'm not a Go philosophy.

Nor am I a mind-reader to understand what they think in their heads.

Nor am I Matt Parkman, who can hear people's thoughts;
Matt is a detective in the New York Police Department
in NBC's popular sci-fi drama Heroes in the U.S.

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I am surprised you find such questions annoying, unless I grossly misunderstood the point you are trying to make. There are many abstract concepts that a beginner must learn in order to improve her understanding of the game. I think it's quite all right for a beginner to ask what joseki is, or what aji is, and so on. A beginner might hear some experienced players use these terms and she might want to understand what they mean. Although she doesn't have a specific position to ask her question about, the teacher must be able to provide some explanations. The problem is that most teachers can't explain these things very well. Typically they just give an example or two. Often these examples are hard to understand and the student walks away thinking she hasn't learnt anything.

Posted by andy at 2008年09月28日 16:41
Dear andy,

I am very sorry if I offended you that much. I might have exaggerated a little bit.

In retrospect I should've written more carefully, so I didn't offend you and others.

First I have to apologize to those who got offended by my statements.

And I didn't mean to discourage you to ask me questions.

I guess I should scratch all the comments I've made.

To be honest with you, in my experience beginners haven't asked me such questions.

Rather those who ask me such questions are more like 1 kyu and 1 dan levels, who may very well be able to show me an an example, but they don't...

I guess I will stop the "One big difference between the way kids learn iGo and the way adults learn it" and start stating the second difference if you forgive me...

Kaz as 囲碁 teacher

Posted by Kaz at 2008年09月28日 17:20
Dear andy,

May I ask one question?

Is it rude for me to ask "Could you show me an example?"

I could show what aji is.

But in my experience it's better to explain that in her/his real game. Usually they have a better understanding rather than explaining aji in a top pro's game, which is way advanced.

Also if I use his/her game, he/she can relate to that situation easily... It's his/her game, so it's easy to relate to.

I'd like to say one more thing.

There are some people, not many, but some people who keep asking the same question and don't listen to what I'm trying to explain...

I guess I should've stated that at first.

I am very sorry that I have offended you

I'll try to be more careful next time.

Kaz as 囲碁 teacher

Posted by Kaz at 2008年09月28日 17:29
Kaz, you did not offend me at all. I am very thankful to you for sharing your experince as a teacher.

I just want to make one more comment about the difference between kids and adults. The ability to form and manipulate abstract ideas is not well developed in kids. So they tend to learn better by examples. Adults, on the other hand, are capable of very abstract thinking. So it's not that surprising that they ask abstract questions from time to time. But I agree with you that it is easier to deal with a specific example.

Posted by at 2008年09月28日 17:36
Thanks very much for your kind comments.

I'm relieved and feel a little better now.

Your point is very interesting and makes me understand why adults tend to ask that kind of questions, and kids don't.

I'll keep this in mind, and I'll teach iGo and write this blog more carefully.

And please feel free to comment anything on this blog and criticize my points if I write something unreasonable, so I can also learn from all of you to be a better weiqi teacher.

I must admit that I do sometimes exaggerate things. I have to be careful.

Thanks again!

Kaz as 囲碁 teacher
Posted by Kaz at 2008年09月28日 17:50
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